Announcing: Traditional Lace      from the Island of Pag!

    During the summer of 1979, Pam Kelley and Melissa Obenaufhad the privilege of living on
the island of Pag for a short period of time while they were studying dance andfolklore through
the Ljetna Skola Folklora. The idyllic town of Pag with its centuries’ oldbuildings, juxtaposed
against the azure blue of the Adriatic Sea and the white stone, formed deep andlasting
impressions on the two women. They saw many of the women of Pag sitting outsideof their
houses, engaged in the art of making lace---exquisite lace which is renownedthroughout the
world, lace that has been referred to as comparable to or even better than, thefine lace of Brussels.
This “needle lace,” which it is also known as, is made on a small, blackcushion with ordinary
mending needles. It is always geometrical, and it is always created without adraft or plan,
making each piece unique and different, the product of the lace-maker’simagination. Each piece of
this lace requires endless hours to make, an unending reserve of patience, akeen eye, and steady
hands.
    Each lace-maker first defines a small circle, and tiny holesare then made that are situated
several millimeters apart. The thread is then pulled through each of the littleholes, and 8 thread
sticks are then spread diagonally across the pillow. After the base or circle isset, then small
circles and triangles (called “mendulice”) are created outward from thiscenter. Pag lace is
characterized by its firmness; in fact, it seems as if it is starched---and itdoes not lose this
firmness upon washing it.
    Our exquisite lace from the island of Pag is presented underglass against a dark background
and is framed, ready to hang. We also include a description of the art of Paglace-making on the
back of this framed work of art.

Visit us at www.croatiagifts.com to find out more about this new item at our webstore!
“Heart of Croatia” also has many other fine Croatian products available.Visit us soon!

Melissa Pintar Obenauf
obenaufm@alink.com
www.croatiagifts.com
Toll Free: 877-906-8314

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no matter how good they are."

- Nenad Bach

Dalmatian Riviera becomingthe new Cote d'Azure

    Wealthy foreigners encouraged by talk of the Dalmatian Riviera becoming
the new Cote d'Azure look for holiday homes on the Adriatic archipelago

By Goran Vezic in Split

    Cash-rich foreigners are rushing to buy property on the beautiful Croatian
islands, which could soon become some of the most fashionable holiday
destinations in the region.

    Since Croatia's property market was opened to foreign investors, interest
has been rising in all the coastal towns and cities - but the islands are
attracting the keenest interest.

    The country was shunned in the early Nineties while war raged through the
former Yugoslavia, but since peace returned in 1995 the coastline has
attracted increasingly high-profile summer guests. These include European
royals, fabulously rich American businessmen such as Bill Gates and screen
stars Sharon Stone and Clint Eastwood.

    In socialist Yugoslavia, overseas visitors were not allowed to own or buy
property without special dispensation, such as when the late President
Tito permitted his British friend Sir Fitzroy MacLean to purchase a house
on the island of Korcula.

    Croatia's independence led to most of these barriers being removed and
foreigners are now free to buy land - including entire islands if they so
wish. "Interest is quite considerable," said Ivica Vulic, owner of the
Split-based estate agency Broker. "However, there are a number of
problems, especially over planning permission."

    Any would-be landowner will need a lot of money in the bank. Daksa, which
lies close to Dubrovnik, is being marketed for almost four million euros -
just over four million US dollars. Another islet on the Pakleni Otoci or
Infernal Islands near Hvar is going for 2.3 million euros.

    The Zadar archipelago contains both the most expensive and the cheapest
islands, where the price of a square metre ranges from five to 60 euros.
Skarda and an islet between Pasman and Kornat are going for 50 million and
half a million euros respectively.

    Croatia boasts more islands than any other Mediterranean country except
Greece. Apart from their natural beauty, they are isolated and sparsely
populated. In all, 125,000 inhabitants are scattered across 48 - some 670
are deserted.

    Steady depopulation has hit the archipelago hard. Brac, one of the largest
islands, has only 13,000 inhabitants today compared to 23,000 a century ago.

    A turn of the century increase in wine tax levied by the then
Austro-Hungarian rulers drove many islanders overseas. With post Second
World War industrialisation yet more moved to mainland cities and towns in
search of jobs.

    The growth of tourism in the Sixties halted the trend but could not
reverse it. The islanders - who were by then heavily dependent on mass
tourism - suffered a further economic blow with the outbreak of war in
1991.

Although most of the old prohibitions have been removed, outsiders still
face hurdles when buying land in Croatia. On most islands, conservation
laws dictate that landowners may only use existing properties and repair
them if necessary. New builds are not allowed, with the exception of a
few, such as Obonjani in the Sibenik archipelago.

Ivo Milatic, assistant minister for public works, reconstruction and civil
engineering and head of a department in charge of developing the islands,
makes it clear that he does not want to encourage their large-scale
transfer into private hands.

Local people are divided over the prospect of having wealthy foreign
neighbours, with sceptics complaining that they will not have Croatia's
interests at heart.

Such fears would seem to be groundless, as only a handful of
privately-owned islands are likely to go under the hammer. Many of the
most attractive, such as the Kornati archipelago, belong to national parks
and cannot be sold.

Goran Vezic is a journlaist with the independent news agency Stina in Split.


Danny Schechter
Executive Editor Mediachannel.org  
http://www.mediachannel.org 
Executive Producer, Globalvision.Inc
1600 Broadway, #700 NY NY 10019 USA
212-246-0202

Komentar objavljen na hrvatskom radiju 3zzz Melbourne, Hrvatskom radiju Sydney i australskom Hrvatskom Vjesniku

OGROMNO BOGATSTVO AUSTRALSKIH HRVATA

Marjan Bosnjak

Ponekad se dogodi da nismo ni svjesni sto sve imamo, kakva imamo bogatstva i kakve vrline. Ovoga tjedna vam zelim govoriti o jednom zaista ogromnom bogatsvu kojeg imaju australski Hrvati, a da toga mnogi nisu ni svjesni.

Ovoga tjedna vam zelim govoriti o nasim hrvatskim umirovljenicima, jer su oni za nas i za nasu zajednicu, jedno zivo bogatstvo. 

A koliko je to nase zivo bogatstvo? kao sto rekoh -mnogi nisu ni svjesni.

Na hrvatskim radio programima, kako na drzavnom SBS-u, tako i na 3zzz, pa i u Hrvatskom Vjesniku, svi smo povremeno culi ili citali vijesti, obavijesti i drustvene oglase nasih umirovljenickih drustava, koji oglasavaju ili neki rucak ili neki izlet.

Svi smo dakle culi o nasim umirovljenickim drustvima i svi znamo da postoje. Ali znate li mozda koliko ih imamo? Znate li mozda koliko umirovljenika oni okupljaju?

Znate li da samo ovdje u nasem gradu, u Melbourneu, ima cak sedam hrvatskih umirovljenickih drustava, te jos dva u obliznjem Geelongu.?

A znate li da hrvatsko umirovljenicko drustvo u Springvaleu ima cak 718 clanova? Drustvo u Sunshineu ima preko 300 clanova, u Clifton Hillu skoro stotinu a u Centru hrvatske zajednice u Geelongu 150.

A koliko umirovljenika tek imamo u drugim gradovima, u Sydneyu, Perthu, Adelaidei, Brisbaneu, Canberri?

Mi ocito nismo ni svjesni s kakvim ljudskim resursima, s kakvim znanjem i zivotnim iskustvom raspolazemo

Nasi umirovljenici su nas ponos, ali i nasa neocekivana snaga i bogatstvo. 

Pravo bogatstvo nije samo novac, nego su pravo bogatstvo- ljudi, jer su ljudi ti koji stvaraju i novac i sva druga bogatstva.

U povijesti, vecina naroda je svoje stare ljude cijenila i postivala. Stari ljudi su postivani radi svojeg znanja, radi svojeg zivotnog iskustva, i radi svoje mudrosti.

Neki u novije vrijeme pogresno misle da kada ljudi jednom prestanu raditi, kada odu u mirovinu, da tada prestaju biti produktivni i korisni, da je tada njihova vrijednost na neki nacin puno manja, nego kada su bili zaposleni.

Takvo je primitivno shvacanje potpuno pogresno.

Dapace sto se tice nase Hrvatske zajednice, upravo su nasi umirovljenici ti koji nasoj zajednici i nasem drustvenom zivotu mogu najvise doprinijeti,

Nasi su nam umirovljenici dragocijeni jer imaju i vremena i znanja a takodjer i veliku ljubav prema svojem hrvatskom narodu..

Umirovljenici su ljudi koji ne moraju svakoga radnog dana otici na posao i za nekoga raditi.

Oni imaju puno vise slobodnog vremena kojeg mogu posvetiti i sebi i svojoj obitelji, i svojim unucima, i svojim hobijima, ali i svojim drustvima i svojoj hrvatskoj zajednici.

Mnogi od nas koji nismo u mirovini moramo svakoga radnog dana otici na posao i za nekoga raditi. Mnogi smo pored toga vremenski ograniceni i obiteljskim i brojnim svakodnevnim obvezama, radi kojih jednostavno ne stignemo sudjelovati u hrvatskom drustvenom zivotu koliko bi htjeli i trebali. 

No za razliku od nas, nasim je umirovljenicima svaki dan relativno slobodan. Oni nemoraju ici nekome ostvarivati profit. Oni svoje vrijeme mogu posvetiti ili svojim privatnim aktivnostima ili nasim drustvenim. 

A sve je vise nasih umirovljenika koji vec sada svoje vrijeme posvecuju nasoj hrvatskoj zajednici i nasim drustvima.

Sve vise je umirovljenika koji pomazu svojim crkvama. Koji pomazu sa opcim odrzavanjem, sa uredjivanjem vrta, s ciscenjem, ili necim drugim. Sve su to vazni poslovi koje netko mora napraviti.

A evo jos nekoliko primjera;

Ima nasih umirovljenika koji, recimo, vole nogomet i koji svoje slobodno vrijeme daruju nasoj Croatiji Melbourne. Neki od njih, poput Ivana Pavlovica i Rudija Horvata, tamo preko tjedna pomazu u uredu, odgovaraju na telefone, vode kuhinju, rade za barom, organiziraju zabave, sakupljaju pomoc za klub i upisuju clanarine. 

Tu je i nas umirovljenik Pero Micic koji vec duze vremena dobrovoljno radi na hrvatskom radio programu i odgovara na telefone. A tu su i drugi umirovljenici koji ili dobrovoljno pred crkvama prodaju knjige ili pisu pisma ili pak organiziraju peticije. 

Mnogi drugi umirovljenici redovito priredjuju ili ruckove ili organiziraju izlete-ponekad cak i ambiciozne. Tako su nedavno umirovljenici iz Sunshinea pod vodstvom gdje Ecije organizirali vrlo uspjesno putovanje cak u Lourdes, Vatikan i Hrvatsku.

Mnogi drugi umirovljenici dobrovoljno rade na zabavama,- ili sluze ili kuhaju ili ciste. 

Ovakvih bih primjera mogao navesti jos mnogo. 

Da nije nasih umirovljenika koji to rade sasvim dobrovoljno, to bi morao raditi netko drugi, netko koga bi se vjerojatno moralo i platiti, a kao sto svi znamo, nasi klubovi, nasa drustva i nase ustanove uglavnom i rade dobvrovoljno pa bas ni nemaju previse sredstava za place ili za skupe radove.

Nasi umirovljenici su zapravo jedna citava vojska vrijednih i sposobnih ljudi i zena koje ne smijemo iskljucivati iz naseg drustvenog zivota, nego dapace, koje, trebamo jos vise ukljucivati u sva nasa drustva, u sve nase aktivnosti.

Hrvatska bi drustva zamolio da nasim umirovljenicima otvore vrata i pruze ruku, te da ih pozovu da se jos vise ukljuce u drustveni rad.

Nasi su umirovljenici jedna ogromna snaga, koja u vecini, i hoce i moze, biti od velike koristi za cijelu nasu hrvatsku zajednicu. 

A sve nase hrvatske umirovljenike koji ovo citaju/slusaju bih zamolio, nemojte cekati da vas netko pozove. Ako mozete i hocete pomoci, nazovite vi prvi. Budite Vi, ti koji ce poduzeti prvi korak, koji ce prvi kontaktirati. Nazovite Vi svoje najblize hrvatsko drustvo, hrvatski dom, hrvatski klub ili hrvatsku crkvu i ponudite im svoje znanje i svoju pomoc. Barem nekoliko sati tjedno.

I nasoj zajednici a i Hrvatskoj su danas potrebni svi Hrvati, i stari i mladi, jer svi mi, i stari i mladi volimo svoj narod i svoju Domovinu, kako to vrlo dobro kazu zadnje dvije kitice nase hrvatske himne  Lijepe Nase

Dravo, Savo, Drino, teci
nit ti Dunav silu gubi,
Sinje more svijetu reci, 
Da svoj narod Hrvat ljubi.

Dok mu njive sunce grije,
Dok mu hrasce bura vije,
Dok mu mrtve grob sakrije,
Dok mu zivo srce bije.

Marjan Bosnjak
Bosnjak@telstra.com 

FREE of charge to thepublic

You can watch Croatian tennis players Iva Majoli, ranked 23rd best in the world, Ivan Ljubicic ranked number 30, Silvija Talaja, Mario Ancic, Jelena Kostanic, Mirjana Lucic, Zeljko Krajan and others on Saturday, August 24th and again on Sunday, August 25th, 2002 at the U.S. Open tennis grounds in Flushing, New York. 

While US Open officially starts on Monday, August 26 - September 8, 2002, all tennis players practice a couple of days earlier and the entrance to the tennis grounds is FREE of charge to the public. 

Grand Prix Athleticin Zagreb

Suzy Powell, of the United States, throws a discus during I.A.A.F. Grand Prix Athletic meet in Zagreb, Croatia Monday, July 8, 2002. (AP Photo/Hrvoje Knez) 

SPINDLETOP CENTENNIAL CELEBRATION: CROATIANS MISS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY
by Drucilla Badurina

Dear Mr. Spahich:

First, the distinction bestowed upon you in 2000 by the Republic of
Croatia is most laudable. A few years ago, I had the honor of accepting,
on behalf of Professor C. Michael McAdams, the Republic of Croatia's
State Honors presented to him at a ceremony at the Croatian Embassy.
You, he and others have been rightfully recognized for your many years
of tireless work in supporting and defending the Croatian nation's right
to self-determination as a free, independent democracy, often when it
was not popular even in the United States.

Your message of 6/18 which included various correspondence about Houston
and Rijeka as future sister cities, a possible honorary consul
generalship and other "news" items was very interesting. Hopefully,
these "projects" will be the just the beginning of a continuing endeavor
to enlighten present and future generations of Texans as well as
Americans nationwide about Croatia and Croatians.

Unfortunately, even though we're entering the second decade of Croatia's
independence, there still is a notable lack of any proactive,
continuous, effective education/promotion campaign or program about
Croatia and Croatians on the American scene.

What follows is an archival article by Badurina & Associates which you
may not have read and might be of interest to you. It might be of some
interest to Houston Croatians also.

The best of luck with the sister city project.

Sincerely,

Drucilla Badurina
President,
Badurina & Associates
e-mail: badurinapr@aol.com


BADURINA & ASSOCIATES
P. O. Box 5447
Falmouth, Virginia 22403
E-mail: USACroatia@aol.com
January 20, 2001

SPINDLETOP CENTENNIAL CELEBRATION: CROATIANS MISS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY

National Public Radio (NPR) recently featured a report on the January 10
celebration in Beaumont, Texas commemorating the centennial of
Spindletop, the world's most important oil strike. This famous oil
field in Southeast Texas changed the course of history, inaugurated the
huge Texas oil industry and the petroleum era and, according to the
report, "helped to transform the United States into a superpower."

Spindletop is also known as the "Lucas gusher" named after mining
engineer, Captain Anthony F. Lucas, who discovered the oil field.
Spindletop was the ultimate confirmation of his belief that the area was
a natural petroleum reservoir, despite ridicule and skepticism about his
theory during the time of his exploration. Today there is a monument in
his honor at Spindletop and, since 1936, fifteen years after his death,
the American Institute of Mining and Metallurgical Engineering has
awarded the Anthony F. Lucas Medal to notable individuals in the field
of petroleum development.

What NPR did not correctly report was that Anthony F. Lucas was a
Croatian immigrant, born in Split, Croatia in 1855. He was the son of
Franjo Lucic, a sea captain, from the Croatian island of Hvar. As was
common among many immigrants, he changed his surname from Lucic to Lucas
when he came to the United States. Yet, NPR's broadcast reported that
he was Austrian. While certain words on his Washington, DC tombstone
inscription such as Spalato and Illyrian (referring to his birthplace,
Split, and his Croatian ancestry) might baffle the average American,
these should be comprehensible and unambiguous to anyone doing serious
research about the subject. Nevertheless, most books and articles
published in the United States about Spindletop say Lucas/Lucic was
Austrian or German or Italian.

A 1995 article entitled: Captain Anthony F. Lucas: An Austrian Pioneer
by an associate professor of English and German at Lamar University in
Beaumont, Texas indicates the Texas Energy Museum in that same city has
a life-sized, talking figure representing Captain Lucas that explains,
in a German accent, that he was Austrian born. The writer says that his
surname is an Americanized form of the Slavic "Luchich" {sic}. This
particular article even appears on the Austrian Information web site.
Austria seems quite happy to claim Lucas/Lucic as its own!

Spindletop is indeed an important part of Texas history as well as
Croatian and world history, well known to many of the 20 million plus
people living in the state especially those educated in Texas elementary
and secondary schools. Spindletop is also well known nationally and
worldwide to millions of individuals associated with the petroleum
industry and ancillary companies. In fact, Spindletop is such a
significant part of Texas history that early in 1999 then Governor
George W. Bush and the Texas Legislature created the Spindletop 2001
Commission to plan and implement the state's official celebration of
that 100th anniversary. Former US president and Texas oilman, George H.
Bush, was the keynote speaker at the January 10, 2001 commemoration at
Spindletop. He reminded his audience that what began at Spindletop,
Lucas' discovery, was "not a misguided adventure but rather a
providential blessing to be used and shepherded wisely."

That event and others scheduled during the yearlong celebration would
have been marvelous promotional and educational opportunities for
Croatian American organizations and/or the Republic of Croatia's
representatives in the United States. However, none had the wisdom or
sagacity to seize these opportunities to definitively reclaim Captain
Anthony F. Lucas' Croatian identity, begin to successfully reverse
continuing historical error, and in the process, begin to effectively
promote Croatia and Croatians among those millions of Texans and other
Americans familiar with Lucas/Lucic and Spindletop but mistaken about or
unaware of his true ethnic heritage.

Undoubtedly, the Spindletop centennial was a ready made public relations
dream served on a silver platter. But Croatian American organizations
and Republic of Croatia representatives in the US were either
uninterested, unconscious or on another planet. They seem to have
missed or ignored the importance of this special opportunity to promote
Croatia and Croatians among Americans in the second largest state in the
US and home state of the new US president, George W. Bush. Their track
record for constantly, effectively publicizing/promoting Croatia and
Croatians among Americans in the US is negligible. Maybe they'll get
their act together in time for Spindletop's bicentennial. In the
meantime, almost ten years after the Republic of Croatia's independence,
the mechanical figure of Croatia's Captain Anthony F. Lucas at the Texas
Energy Museum continues to exclaim to thousands of tourists visiting
Spindletop that he was Austrian born.

Op-ed: from The Franklin Institute Online
http://sln.fi.edu/fellows/fellow2/jan99/spindletop.html

Drucilla Badurina and many others spoke about Spindletop for many years. Lets make a difference and organize acampaign to change label Austrian into Croatian. Someone needs to lead, where and whom to address, but a public exposure to the media (newspapers, TV etc) with couple of good articles published would be a GREAT start.We need 3 fine articles. Please supply.

Nenad Bach


Spindletop

Spindletop is the name of a small knoll just south of Beaumont Texas. 

Anthony Lucas, an Austrian-born mining engineer, has been supervising the drilling of an oilwell since October 27, 1900.His crew must install a new drilling bit on the string of a drill pipe. The date is January 10, 1901. The drilling crew begins lowering the new bit to the bottom of the hole. They run about 700 feet (200 meters) of drill pipe into the 1,000-foot (300-meter) hole. Suddenly, the well starts spewing drilling mud. The mud, a liquid concoction that carries rock cuttings out of the hole, drenches the rig floor and shoots up into the derrick.The crew evacuates the rig and waits to see what will happen. The flow stops. The workers return to the rig and start cleaning up. Without warning, mud erupts again. Then a geyser of oil gushes 200 feet (60 meter) above the 60-foot-high (18 meter high) derrick.See the photo to the right.The spouting oil blows all the drill pipe out of the hole. The blowing well elates Lucas and his crew as they watch the display from a safe distance. They estimate that it is flowing over 3 million gallons (over 12,000 cubic meters) of oil per day. In oilfield terms, that's over 80,000 barrels of oil per day.Before Spindletop, a big producer flowed 50 barrels (8 cubic meters )per day. The Lucas well produced 1,600 times that amount. It showed that buried layers of rock could contain tremendous amounts of oil. What is more, it proved that rotary drilling was an effective way to obtain it. Spindletop marked the beginning of the modern petroleum industry. 

Lettersto theEditors

One wonders: Had the Mexican government stirred up the sizable Mexican minority communities in California, Arizona, or New Mexico to declare outright independence from the U.S. and lay claim to huge portions of those states, then back them up with military force, would the United States hesitate to expel these aggressors? I doubt it, and I don't believe the American people would have any problem with it. Yet your article has the gall to question Croatia's right to self-defense. 

Ask yourself, did one bomb fall on the land of Serbia during the Serbs' attack on Croatia? Did one bullet stray into their territory? The answer is no. Yet Croatia alone is forced to rebuild its crushed infrastructure, its places of worship, and its hospitals without any reparation (yet) from Serbia, or any apology from Serbia's leaders for the atrocities committed during the war. The Serb leader, Vojislav Kostunica, bluntly refused such an apology just a few days ago while meeting with the leaders of Croatia and Bosnia-Herzegovina.

I cannot, try as I might, comprehend your misguided attempts at "journalism". What of the rights of Croatians in Serbia? What of the Yugoslavia of the past century which was politically dominated and manipulated by Serbia, which led to abuses of all non-Serbs throughout that artificial state? Did you ask yourself, how did those Serbs get to such a pre-war percentage of the Croatian population? Isn't the imbalance between that figure and the Croatian population in Serbia a bit suspicious?

Please make SOME attempt at even-handed journalism in the future. Do not brainwash an already underinformed people about the truth pertaining to the victimization of Croatia and its neighbors at the hands of the Serbs.


Peter Curko
pcurko@netzero.net 

DALAI LAMAin CROATIA

Tibetan spiritual leader Dalai Lama receives hugs from supporters in Split, Croatia July 6, 2002. The Dalai Lama is on a four-day visit to the Republic of Croatia, where he will participate in several discussions in Split and Zagreb. REUTERS/Matko Biljak 


The Tibetan spiritual leader Dalai Lama greets the crowd at the airport after his arrival in Split, Croatia on July 6, 2002. The Dalai Lama is on a four-day visit to the Republic of Croatia, where he will participate in several discussions in Split and Zagreb. REUTERS/Matko Biljak 


Exiled spiritual leader of Tibet The Dalai Lama walks in old part of town Split near the cathedral St.Domnio in Split, Croatia, Saturday, July 6, 2002. The Dalai Lama is on a private four-day visit to the Rebublic of Croatia. Others are unidentified. (APPhoto/str) 


Exiled spiritual leader of Tibet The Dalai Lama walks in old part of town Split near the cathedral St.Domnio in Split, Croatia, July 6, 2002. The Dalai Lama is on a private four-day visit to the Rebublic of Croatia. Others are unidentified. (AP Photo) 

Croatian Stories

Outside of a dog a book is man's best friend.
Inside of a dog it's too dark to read!

- Groucho Marx -

CROWN started with Croatian Stories - SPLEEN by Josip Novakovich. We will publish your stories, no matter how good they are. Roland Baric's website is another example of the same idea. I tried to navigate on his website but it didn't work. Check on your own.

Nenad Bach

letters@croatianworld.net 

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a nemaju priliku objaviti svoje priče, romane, poeziju... 

Svima Vama koji imate spremljene u ladici sastavke iz gimnazije, 
pjesme iz pučke škole, ljubavna pisma koja su prekrivena patinom brakova, 
šaljite ih u Rokinu knjižnicu. 

This site was made for all who don't have a chance to publish
their hidden romance tales from high school, poetry for 'gone with the wind' 
love, love letters covered by patina of marriage...
Please, send your tales and poems to the Roki's Bookroom. 

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