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(H) Marko Tarle - Hrvatska je civilizacijski heterogena zemlja
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Hrvatska je civilizacijski heterogena zemlja Obrazovni sustav između trkača olovnih nogu, Potemkinovih sljedbenika i hrvatske sutraanjice Hrvatska je mala i siromaana zemlja, pa mora izvoziti da bi opstala. Naaa knjiga je skupa, jer je naklada mala, naae cestarine su visoke, jer nam je promet rijedak, ~ito je u nas skupo, jer su nam zemljiane parcele male, a proizvodni troakovi, iz istih razloga, visoki. Moramo izvoziti atogod mo~emo, a ne proizvoditi u suviaku ono ato ne mo~emo izvesti / Mo~e li visoko akolstvo biti uspjeano, pa ma kakve mu planove izabrali, ako na sveučiliata i veleučiliata sti~u osobe insuficijentnog znanja, s kojima se ne mo~e započeti moderni proces univerzitetskog akolovanja? Upravo smo suočeni s tim fenomenom. Hrvatska je civilizacijski heterogena zemlja, pa je takva i razina stečenog akolskog znanja. Naaa se zaostalost mo~e prevladati dizanjem opće civilizacijske razine naroda: previae je nepismenih i polupismenih MARKO TARLE Hrvatska je javnost zaokupljena sterilnim političkim i politikantskim događanjima, tra~enjem izlaza iz gospodarske propasti i raspravama o bitkama iz povijesti.
U posljednje vrijeme pozornost privlači raznolikost stajaliata o cjelini i pojedinim sferama osnovnoga i srednjeg obrazovanja: zastupa se reformiran, progresivan i budućnosti okrenut obrazovni sustav, ali i retrogradna, pa i pre~ivjela stajaliata.
No oni koji su ovlaateni mijenjati dosadaanji sustav prilaze obrazovanju s činovničko-formalističkog aspekta: raspravljaju o trajanju pojedinih obrazovnih faza, o dekretima vodećih činovnika u akolstvu, o novcu za nove učionice, problemu za koji se mo~e, na~alost, pobrinuti i demografska katastrofa, o vlastitom anga~manu kao autora ud~benika i pridru~enoj materijalnoj koristi, o podupiranju programa prvog činovnika akolstva i produljenju njegova mandata.
Na tom putu zaboravljaju uočiti aumu gledajući u pojedina stabla. A mnogo je otvorenih pitanja. Evo nekih, mo~da ne i najva~nijih.
Zbog netransparentnosti sustava potrebno ih je zapitati koja je svrha obrazovanja, kako je ono povezano s ciljevima cijelog druatva? `kole trebaju mladom čovjeku dati osnovno znanje i odgoj, kojima će se, nadograđujući to cijeli ~ivot, uklopiti u airu zajednicu i u njoj djelovati na vlastitu i opću korist. Apstrahirajući vječni problem novca, danas treba postaviti pitanje strukture i opsega programa znanja i njegova prijenosa učeniku, profila ljudi koji o sustavu odlučuju, a zatim potrebnog stupnja naobrazbe i iskustva učitelja u nastupajućoj informatičkoj civilizaciji.
Mladi se čovjek danas osposobljava za ~ivot u prilično dalekoj sutraanjici. Danaanji desetogodianjak aktivno će djelovati u druatvu za petnaestak godina, i to u sljedeća četiri desetljeća.
Kako će izgledati druatvo budućnosti? Čitajući klasike druatvene futurologije kao ato su Toffler, Rifkin, Fukuyama, Huntington ili Evans, vidimo da su prije pet, deset ili trideset godina predvidjeli revolucionarne druatvene promjene s priličnom točnoaću.
Prateći djelovanje naaih planera obrazovanja sumnjam da su upoznati s modeliranjem druatva budućnosti koje se temelji na prirodoslovnim i socioloakim istra~ivanjima, te na novim zasadima u tehnoloakom razvoju. Bez uvida u budućnost druatva nema smislene organizacije dr~ave, ali ni obrazovanja.
Hrvatska je mala i siromaana zemlja, pa mora izvoziti da bi opstala. Naaa knjiga je skupa, jer je naklada mala, naae cestarine su visoke, jer nam je promet rijedak, ~ito je u nas skupo, jer su nam zemljiane parcele male, a proizvodni troakovi, iz istih razloga, visoki.
Moramo izvoziti atogod mo~emo, a ne proizvoditi u suviaku ono ato ne mo~emo izvesti. Proizvodnja mora biti izvozno orijentirana. Kako to ostvariti?
Mnogo je preduvjeta i uvjeta, ali je, čini mi se, prvi, i to zato jer je dugoročan, obrazovanje ljudi znanjima potrebnim za rentabilnu izvoznu proizvodnju.
Drugim riječima, naa obrazovni program i njegova realizacija moraju biti analogni obrazovanju djelatnika u drugim zemljama, onima u koje izvozimo, a znanja naaih ljudi kompatibilna s obrazovanjem radnika i intelektualaca u tim zemljama. Uostalom, i to jedan od uvjeta za ulaz u Europsku uniju. Predlo~eni projekt obrazovanja to ne omogućava.
Ciljevi i metodologija obrazovanja mogu se temeljiti samo i jedino na viziji ukupnog razvoja hrvatskog druatva, uzimajući u obzir naae specifičnosti. Postoji li takva koherentna univerzalna vizija? Čini se, ne postoji. To ipak ne smije abolirati organizatore naaeg obrazovanja, jer to danas rade ljudi zastarjelih navika, koji obavljaju posao prema činovničkom obrascu, crtajući murale na potemkinovski način: va~no je pod svaku cijenu zadr~ati pozicije vlasti.
Oni nisu uopće za to krivi, oni bolje ne mogu i ne znaju, a smatraju čak da su vrlo uspjeani. Zar su krivi oni koji su ih postavili na kormilo obrazovanja?
Ne, i oni rade, prema svom najboljem uvjerenju, misleći da djeluju u korist općeg dobra. Narod je, napokon, odlučio povjeriti im posao odabira izvranih činovnika, a oni to rade na način koji će im, vjeruju, honorirati glasači. To je pogreana logika političara, to su kobni druatveni paradoksi koji nas sve pretvaraju u trkače olovnih nogu.
No cijeli se sustav obrazovanja oblikuje za sutraanjicu o kojoj prosječni glasač malo ato zna: budućnost civilizacije projicira se prema znanstvenim mjerilima, a socijalna futurologija pripada jednoj od slo~enih znanstvenih disciplina, teoriji determinističkog kaosa.
Shvativai taj tragičan raaomon hrvatske danaanjice talentirana mladost okreće leđa svom tlu i kolovođama progredijentnog gnjiljenja hrvatskog druatva, a dio koji ostaje brine se samo za svoje egzistencijske potrebe. To je sumorna slika propadanja Hrvatske.
Mo~e li visoko akolstvo biti uspjeano, pa ma kakve mu planove izabrali, ako na sveučiliata i veleučiliata sti~u osobe insuficijentnog znanja, s kojima se ne mo~e započeti moderni proces univerzitetskog akolovanja?
Upravo smo suočeni s tim fenomenom. Hrvatska je civilizacijski heterogena zemlja, pa je takva i razina stečenog akolskog znanja. Naaa se zaostalost mo~e prevladati dizanjem opće civilizacijske razine naroda: previae je nepismenih i polupismenih.
S podacima iz popisa stanovniatva od 2001. nema priključka razvijenom i bogatom svijetu. Obrazovanju moramo prići kao procesu u kojem svaka karika određuje čvrstoću cijelog lanca: sve nastavne projekte treba pro~eti u jedan smisleni niz, od osnovne akole do doktorata.
Tranzicijsko i poratno stanje, svjetska recesija, naaa zaostalost i neučinkovite vlasti doveli su u nas do oko 400 tisuća ljudi bez posla. Među njima je i nekvalificiranih, za koje planiramo javne radove, dr~avno poduzetniatvo i intervencionizam.
No ato je s desecima i stotinama tisuća ljudi srednje i starije dobi koji su manje, viae ili čak visokokvalificirani, ali ipak nemaju znanja potrebnih za ovo doba, za poduzetnike, prete~no strance, kojima smo prodali lukrativna poduzeća?
Ta skupina nezaposlenika, s danaanjim znanjima, teako mo~e naći regularan posao, pa će većina do~ivotno opterećivati proračun i ~ivjeti na marginama sive ekonomije.
U Hrvatskoj obrazovanje odraslih joa nije uređeno zakonom, čak ni danas, osmu godinu po svraetku rata. U koncepciji Vladina programa za obrazovanje odraslih, ato je temeljni preduvjet smanjenja nezaposlenosti, samo su stranica ili dvije posvećene suhom normativiziranju aktivnosti, no bez ijednog konkretnog zadatka. Zapanjuje kratkovidnost činovnika i njihovo nerazumijevanje vitalnih potreba najugro~enije skupine stanovniatva. Malo nam je učitelja osposobljeno za suvremeni način poučavanja mladih na svim razinama.
U Americi, na primjer, svake godine djeluju »akole« za kontinuirano obrazovanje stručnjaka određenog profila, na kojima znanstvenici iz svijeta i SAD-a prikazuju sve novosti koje su se u pojedinoj struci dogodile u godinu dana. U Finskoj sam joa u ljeto 1980. promatrao godianji sastanak srednjoakolskih profesora nekih struka, na kojem su sveučiliani nastavnici upoznavali profesore s promjenama u njihovu području. A mi planiramo stručno usavraavanje ravnatelja i predla~emo osnivanje »akole za ravnatelje«. `to će nam vrstan ministar vojske i generalatab, ako vojnici malo ato znaju o puaci?
U planiranom Odjelu za istra~ivanje i razvoj akolstva segment »usavraavanje nastavnika« je jedna osamnaestina njegove aktivnosti bez i jedne jedine pojedinosti o djelovanju. No projekti zato vrve prijedlozima o mnogim vanjskim i stručnim suradnicima. Sapienti sat!
Među novim članovima vlade dva su vrsna znanstvenika koji sigurno znaju za presudnu ulogu znanja i obrazovanja u priključku Hrvatske »normalnom« svijetu. Nadajmo se da će naići na razumijevanje i potporu u ukupnom kolopletu hrvatske vlasti.
Autor je doktor znanosti, znanstveni konzultant, publicist iz Zagreba
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(E) "Priests flex Their Muscles"
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International War and Peace Report To: International War and Peace Report
To: info@IWPR.net
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 19:33:00 -0700
Subject: Article "Priests Flex Their Muscles"
Dear Editor:
It is clear from the choice of articles you print about Croatia, that you
only chose writers who criticize the country. While every country,
especially one coming out of a brutal war, has its ups and downs, you
have never found anything complimentary to say, so that one would get the
impression that Croatia must be one of the worst countries on earth.
Which of course is absurd and totally untrue. The fact that these critics
might be communists or nostalgic for Serb-controlled Yugoslavia does not
seem to be of any account to you. (Or perhaps your organization itself is
run by Serbs.)
The article you published by Goran Vezic is full of falsities and unfair
criticism. He mentions for instance that there are now many more
Catholics in Croatia than during communist Yugoslavia. Surprise,
surprise!
Not many people wanted to broadcast their adherence to the Catholic faith
during the communist rule. Croatia was always a predominantly Catholic
country, so it is not surprising that 88% are members of that Church. It
is not true that the Catholic hierarchy agreed with all of former
President Tudjman's HDZ policies. The present archbishop Bozanic as well
as the former Cardinal Kuharic repeatedly criticized the Government for
the corruption and the steadily more impoverished populace. What's more,
Cardinal Kuharic issued an open appeal against the HDZ policy regarding
Bosnia. The Church always stood for social justice and when it was
trampled - no matter by which government - it spoke out.
Regarding the "interference by the Church" in the attempt by Prime
Minister Racan to appoint professor Neven Budak as Minister of Science,
the Church had very good reasons. Professor Budak has successfully
interfered in the nomination of the well-respected - but Catholic -
professor Ivancic as rector of the Zagreb University. He also objected to
a number of other matters involving the Catholic religion, such as
opposing the Church's tax exempt status. That such exemption exists
everywhere else in the West did not seem to count. Isn't it odd - no one
is criticizing or even bringing up the point that in Serbia all public
officials are Serb Orthodox and no one would even think of objecting to
it, but in Croatia, some of these same commentators make a big issue of
the officials' Catholic religion.
Lastly, - about the quotes of the so-called philosopher Mr. Puhovski, -
he has not been able to utter a kind word about Croatia since its
independence. The only reason he aspired to the Chair of the Croatian
Helsinki Committee is to be able to be publicly vocal in his criticisms.
Evidently he believes the old communist Yugoslavia was a more democratic
state and yearns for its return. Such people always seem to be quoted.
Sincerely,
Hilda M. Foley
Public Relations
National Federation of Croatian Americans
13272 Orange Knoll
Santa Ana, CA 92705
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(E,H) GRATITUDE - ZAHVANOST
GRATITUDE - ZAHVANOST Gratitude is a burden upon our imperfect nature, Lord Chesterfield (823)Gratitude is a fruit of great cultivation; you do not find it among gross people.S.Johnson Swift gratitude is sweetness; if it delays, all gratitude is empty and unworthy of the name. Unknown Gratitude is one of those things that cannot be bought. It must be born with men, or else all the obligations in the world will not create it. Lord Halifax Zahvalnost je teret nesavrsenoj ljudskoj prirodi. Lord Chesterfield Zahvalnost je plod velike kulture; ne mozete je naci medju neuljudnim svijetom..S.Johnson Brza je zahvalnost pozeljna; ako u tome oklijevamo sama zahvalnost postaje suha i nedostojna svoga imena.Nepoznat Zahvalnost je jedna od rijetkih stvari koje se ne mogu kupiti. Ona se radja s ljudima, ako ne, tesko cemo je u zivotnim okolnostima usvojiti. Lord Halifax Justice is always pale and melancholy; but Gratitude , her daughter, is constantly in the flow of spirits and the bloom of loveliness. W.S.Landor Gratitude is the memory of the heart. J.B.Massieu Pravda je oduvijek i blijeda i otuzna, ali Zahvalnost, njezina kci, neprestano leluja i cvate cvatom ljupkosti.W.S.Landor Zahvalnost je pamcenje srca.J.M.Massieu If you do anything well, gratitude is lighter than a feather; if you give offence in anything, people s wrath is as heavy as lead. Plautus To receive honestly is the best thanks for a good thing. G. Macdonald Beggar that I am, I am even poor in thanks. Shakespeare Praise the bridge that carried you over. G. Colman, the Younger Ccinite li sve sto cinite na najbolji moguci nacin, zahvalnost je laksa negoli pero; ako vam se omakne neka uvreda ili nesmotrenost, proklinjanje ljudi tesko je poput olova. Plautus Prihvacati dobrotu u postenju najljepsa je zahvala. G.Macdonald Prosjak kakav jesam, ccak sam i u zahvaljivanju takav, (prosjacki). Shakespeare Ne stedi pohvalama most preko kojega si presao na drugu obalu. G.Colman, the Youngest Srdacno clanovima Mreze: Njegujmo vrlinu zahvalnosti! Not to be beggars! Mozda cemo slijedeci Dan domovinske zahvalnosti okititi s vise zahvalnosti!!! Nevenka
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(E) CROATIAN NEW YORKER CLUB PICNIC
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The Croatian New Yorker Club 15th annual picnic at Centerport Beach The Croatian New Yorker Club - A Community Alliance of Business People held its 15th annual picnic at Centerport Beach, Centerport, Long Island, New York on Sunday July 28th.
The Croatian New Yorker Club is a not for-profit independent organization of professional and business people in Metro New York. Its purpose is to socially bring together people of Croatian birth or descent in this area. In the course of the last 15 years the organizations has undertaken many projects to benefit our community here and in the old country. Many of our members are members of the Croatian Fraternal Union who is always willing to help support our efforts.
One of the highlights of our year is always the picnic at Centerport Beach. This year was no exception. We had a great turn out!
Despite threats of rain and forecasts of excessively hot temperatures, the weather held out. Centerport Beach is an exceptionally fine place for a picnic, there is a protected pavilion, a fine beach, a shaded grove and various sports facilities including a volleyball area, bocce courts and windsurfing.
The picnic featured a great diversity and abundance of excellent food including barbecued lamb, grilled chicken, kielbasa, potato salad, fresh Long Island clams, delicious corn on the cob and Croatian pastries including hrustule. The BBQ was well manned by Lou Carrara, Angelo Gasparini, Dr. Bartol Matanic, Nevenko Glavan, and George and Anton Angelich.
The picnic brings together old friends and new for a relaxing day of swimming, barbecueing, and conversing. Sally Pasaric is close to her 90th birthday and enjoyed telling her amazing life story, from life in Zagreb to being a college professor on Long Island. Vlado Marjanovic, originally from Mostar, brought three generations of his family to the picnic. Stipe Vukelic, second generation Croat from Australia and friends had a fun filled day of volleyball. Davor Zidovec, who previously lived in Argentina, enjoyed the day with his Argentine wife Mirta. Lillian Raspolic Carrara brought a big box of old Croatian records to give away. The Bernic sisters, whose family hails from Krk, came to the picnic for the first time, after having become involved in the Croatian New Yorker Club's Oral History Project. The Josilo-Telosmanich-Angelich women ( from Olib) had a lot of fun playing bocce. Kay Angelich, Elizabeth Fabijanic, Mary Lou Gasparini and Lillian Raspolic Carrara got a chance to catch up on what's new while making potato salad together. Carolyn Babich, an L.A. native, enjoyed taking a spin at the polka. As always, there were a number of people whose roots come from the islands of Unije and Krk, including John Kraljic - President of the National Federation of Croatian Americans.
A special treat is always live music. Dominic Karcic, a talented accordionist, delighted the picnic goers by playing old Croatian music.
All in all a good time was had by all. Ellen and Roy Schoenberg, Americans whom I met vacationing in beautiful Hvar, stopped by to say hello. Roy wrote a poem about our lovely picnic grove/beach site that we would like to share with all:
LITTLE NECK BEACH
Killies jumping, under sized fish offshore,
Family gatherings, Indian Summer sought,
Afternoon's carpet spread, blanketing skied.
Senior Citizen Center, gated secure.
An anonymous watchman am I, not yet entering
To give old age a try.
Yesterday's past, searched mussels and clams
At low tide, with a child's bucket alongside;
Not drinking the dregs of seasonal wines.
My wife races ahead, a child again,
Forty nine years of marriage, hoping for more,
One, five, ten, perchance a score?
The beach emptying, we're not alone.
A coin toss, anger, tears, laughter -
A few seeds we have magically sown.
Little Neck Beach nostalgia, driving away,
Vanderbilt Museum, Centerport unfolding,
Appointments beckoning, we cannot stay.
Anton Angelich & Katarina Tepesh
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(E) The Washington Times - DATA
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(E) American-Croatian Commercial Advisory Committee
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 NationalFederation of CroatianAmericans1329 Connecticut Avenue, NWWashington, D.C. 20036Phone: (202) 331-2830 Fax: (202) 331-0050 NFCAhdq@aol.com http://croatianworld.net/NFCA/ August2, 2002 DearFriend of Croatia, The National Federation of Croatian-Americans and the Embassy of theRepublic of Croatia are determined to further Croatia s economic advancementand expansion onto the global market. Consequently, there has been muchdiscussion and collaboration concerning the need to create an American-CroatianCommercial Advisory Committee. This independent entity will consider a widearray of economic issues and will work with both Croatian and American companiesto encourage investment in Croatia and the exporting of Croatian productsworldwide. I know of your interest in Croatia and wouldtherefore like to cordially invite you to play a key advisory role in thebetterment of Croatia s economy by becoming a member of the above-mentionedCommercial Advisory Committee. This committee will partner with the new proposedInvestment Trade Agency planned by the Croatian Government. In addition, thisentity may collaborate with the U.S. Chamber of Commerce on a major businessdevelopment project involving Croatia. We are working directly with Mr. ZivkoGuberina at the Embassy to plan a meeting of the committee members expected totake place within the next 3 months in either Washington, D.C. or New York City.We would be honored if you would be able to join this prominent group of over 60Americans and Croatian-Americans at this inaugural meeting. If you are interested in participating in the Commercial AdvisoryCommittee please fax or mail the enclosed form to the NFCA office. Thank you foryour continued interest in Croatia s economy. We hope to hear from you soon. WarmestRegards, SteveRukavina Chair, NFCA Business Development Committee YES, I WANT TO BECOME A MEMBER OF THE COMERCIAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE NAME_____________________________________________________________________________________________ ADDRESS__________________________________________________________________________________________ CITY/STATE/ZIPCODE______________________________________________________________________________ PHONE_____________________________________FAX___________________________________________________ E-MAIL____________________________________________________________________________________________ IPREFER TO BE NOTIFIED OF FUTUREMEETINGS BY: FAX E-MAIL
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(E) UK-Croatia export deal agreed
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UK-Croatiaexportdealagreed
12/08/2002
The Export Credits Guarantee Department (ECGD) has announced that it has signeda co-operation agreement with the Croatian Bank for Reconstruction andDevelopment (HBOR) in London today. ECGD Chief Executive Vivian Brown and HBORPresident Anton Kovacev put their names to the agreement, designed to promoteprojects in third countries that make use of both UK and Croatian goods andservices.
Mr Brown commented: 'I am very pleased that ECGD is able to sign thisco-operation agreement with HBOR. The Bank has a significant task on its handsin contributing to the further rebuilding of Croatia, and I hope our support andexpertise can be of benefit.'
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(H) Hrvatski Izvoz - Croatian Export
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Hrvatski Izvoz- Croatian Export Dragi Nenade!
Vrijedno je ovo dati na znanje i poticaj poslovnim ljudima u SAD prekoCroWorldNet. Ovdje cemo potaknuti nase ljude da posjete izlozbu. Nekoc je NikolaSulentic u drzavi Iowa bio jedan od najpoznatijih u SAD bas po toolholders.
Srdacno
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Forwarded Message:
SAB, Daruvar Dana 06.09.2002 te 07.09.2002, moj otac i ja cemo posjetiti sajam alata i strojeva IMTS, McCormick place u Chicagu. Vlasnici smo malog poduzeca koje proizvodi pribor za alatne strojeve (toolholders for tool machines). Cjelokupnu proizvodnju izvozimo u Njemacku i u Italiju. Ovo ce biti nas prvi pokusaj da pronadjemo zainteresirane kupce za hrvatski proizvod na US trzistu. Obracamo se Vama kao ravnatelju Hrvatske ustanove u Chicagu, koji sigurno imate poznanstva medju nasim poslovnim ljudima. Molimo Vas za bilo kakvu pomoc, u smislu kontakta sa ljudima koji se bave biznisom u metalnoj struci. unaprijed hvala Boris Budinjas SAB d.o.o. Matije Gupca 28 43500 DARUVAR Hrvatska tel +385 43 331 334 fax+385 43 333 815
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(E) Dalmatians are Croatia's dogs, and we are proud of them!
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American Kennel Club
260 Madison Ave.
New York, N.Y. 10016
Aug. 7. 2002
Dear Sir/Madam:
We happen to see your guide to purebred dogs and we are dismayed to see
you listing the Dalmatian's origins as "Yugoslavia".
The Dalmatians have been bred in Dalmatia, which has for centuries been
part of Croatia, indeed the Croatian kingdom was established there in the
seventh century. Even as Croatia was part of Yugoslavia for seventy years
from 1918-1991, Dalmatia was still part of the Republic of Croatia.
We urge you therefore to change this false information with all possible
speed. Dalmatians are Croatia's dogs, and we are proud of them!
Sincerely,
Hilda M. Foley
National Federation of Croatian Americans
13272 Orange Knoll
Santa Ana, CA 92705
714 832-0289 Dear Hilda:
Your letter to the American Kennel Club must have worked - here is a quote on the Dalmatian Dog from the AKC off their website: "The Dalmatian is believed to have come from Dalmatia, a region of CROATIA [emphasis added] located along the Adriatic Sea." I guess they finally bought a map :-)
Kindest regards,
Allen Milcic
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(E) Help Wanted - Croatian babysitter in Scotts Valley, CA
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Help Wanted - Scotts Valley, CA Croatian babysitter Hi,
We're looking for a croatian babysitter and would appreciate if you can
include our ad in the next issue of Croatian Digest. Text follows:
Americko-Hrvatska obitelj trazi odgovornu zensku osobu do 35 godina
starosti za cuvanje dviju djevojcica od 3 i 5 godina i obavljanje laksih
kucanskih poslova (kuhanje, peglanje). Uvjeti: afinitet i iskustvo u radu
sa djecom, aktivno znanje engleskog jezika, bez obaveza, nepusacica.
Prednost osobama sa pedagoskim obrazovanjem. Pocetak rada: sredina/kraj 9.
mjeseca. Rad na godinu dana. Molimo da svoj zivotopis sa iscrpnim opisom
dosadasnjeg iskustva posaljete emailom na: marinac@sum.com najkasnije do
12.08
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